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Lisa Preston
January 6th, 2008 @11:45 am  

I am astonished and disappointed by this post.

I, too, have heard the sideways comments wondering whether you were an actual doctor, if there even WAS a “foundation”, and so on…

Some people choose to simply have faith in fellow human beings; some simply follow along.

If you say you’ve known Tony Blake for years, you KNOW he is not one of these.

Tony is (and always will be) a brutally honest, brash, and entirely ethical marketer who has no problem digging publicly for answers - as seen in the “Dennis Lively” debacle. He has exposed more than one scammer because of his genuine disgust for those who would fleece others for financial gain.

The fact that you are even on his radar should be a huge compliment - and attacking him for asking what everyone has been talking about just seems really dumb. Sorry, but that’s how I feel.

I’m glad you posted the “proof” of your work, but sad that my esteem has been lowered by this unnecessary attack on an influential marketer - someone who might have helped in your efforts.

Tony Blake
January 6th, 2008 @12:11 pm  

I’ve posted a video response to your blog post re: twitter questions… http://tinyurl.com/2a4u8d

Money.Power.Wisdom
January 6th, 2008 @12:21 pm  

Tony, thanks for the response.

I did not take objection to your questions - they were all valid and relevant. And indeed, I am grateful for a chance to explain what I do in response to your Tweets.

I did however take SERIOUS exception to being likened to the poster ‘Bad Boy’ of IM - Joe Kumar - who is a proven scammer.

Also, why would anyone be ‘afraid’ or ‘hesitant’ or ‘unwilling’ to ask the questions? I’ve answered literally HUNDREDS of them, and almost never play bully on forums or even in private personal email. That’s strange indeed!

All success
Dr.Mani

Money.Power.Wisdom
January 6th, 2008 @12:28 pm  

Lisa, I did not like the allusion to Joe Kumar - hence the tone of my response.

I completely accept and agree with the validity of Tony’s or anyone else’s right to ask these questions - AND MORE - hence the detailed responses to each of them, with links to follow for more information.

All success
Dr.Mani

Money.Power.Wisdom
January 6th, 2008 @12:35 pm  

Incidentally, this isn’t something recent or new. I’ve always been ‘different’.

When Seth Godin included my ‘case study’ in his ‘99 Purple Cows’, he introduced me like this:

“Dr. Mani Sivasubramanian doesn’t have that problem. He’s as busy as he wants to be. Dr. Sivasubramanian didn’t follow his remarkable path in order to find clients, of course.”

You can read the rest of that write-up here:

http://www.b–different.com/purplecow.htm

The domain name says it all - Be Different.

It’s my ‘mantra’. Others, almost every single one of my colleagues in medical school, work the ‘conventional’ way - 18 hour days, 6 days a week… and are UNHAPPY about it.

I could have followed that path. Did. For 2 or 3 years. Then chose another one.

I decided my lifestyle first - and then tied it into my professional work, and for deeper fulfillment, integrated it all into my non-profit work. This has made my life richer, more meaningful and exciting than making a million dollars every year.

Yes, money matters. No, it isn’t the only thing that matters.

Yes, professional success matters. No, it isn’t the only thing that matters.

Just a side note :)

All success
Dr.Mani

Lisa Preston
January 6th, 2008 @12:43 pm  

Then by all means, Dr. Mani - say you take exception. You won’t offend Tony by telling him off, especially if you answer the underlying question. But a blog attack for such an obscure reference?
Many of your followers have no idea who that is - YOU are the one who has brought the name to your permanent blog - Tony relegated it to the fleeting life of an obscure reference in a twitter post…

Money.Power.Wisdom
January 6th, 2008 @12:51 pm  

Why, Lisa, I welcome the chance to answer the questions. They are relevant, valid, and I can well imagine many people asking them. My donors have - and received detailed answers.

I’m not sure why you perceive it (and blogged about it too) as a ‘Blog Attack’.

If you re-read my post (and I did many times), the ONLY problem I had with the entire episode was juxta-position with the name ‘Joe Kumar’ - which dictated the TONE of my response. The questions themselves were answered as best as I could - with links to more details.

All success
Dr.Mani

Juho Tunkelo
January 19th, 2008 @12:26 pm  

Well, I’ll try to say something here without adding too much to the bad blood already in the air…

#1: If someone likened me to Joe Kumar, I’d do more than write a blog post. Leave it at that…

#2: If you’ve followed Dr. Mani for any length of time, you’ll know he won’t let something like that just slide. So you knew it was coming. ;)

#3: USA and India are worlds apart. I’ve been to both countries plenty and what a surgeon’s life is in the USA is not necessarily at all the same in India.

#4: Being the son of a doctor myself, I find it incredible that anyone would question someone who takes it upon himself to do something ‘outside the system’. People fall through the cracks all the time and to have someone do something about it, well, it is as rare as it is difficult.

All I can say in conclusion is.. negative presumption can be killer.

Misato Katsuragi
March 16th, 2008 @9:19 pm  

I am also disappointed with the posts, but for different reasons than Lisa. I think Tony is way out of line with his comments to Dr. Mani, and is being very hypocritical about faulty others who guru bash when he clearly does the same.

I recieved an email from Dr. Mani not to long ago, and he seemed kind of upset that some of his email subscribers were accussing him of scamming and / or being the typical guru, so to speak, and I can safely say from my long , long time on his list, that I have never found Dr. Mani to be anything of the sort.

If he isn’t one of the more reputable internet marketers, then nobody is, that’s for sure, and in my opinion, Tony could learn a thing or two from Dr Mani.

Like I say, Tony was just way out of line here with the quesions and the Joe Kumar comment.

Misato

Misato Katsuragi
March 16th, 2008 @9:47 pm  

Oh, and to makes things a little more clear. Dr. Mani wasn’t involved in any scam. It seems that two or three of his subscribers just didn’t want to stay subscribed to his newsletter because they may have gotten an offer to buy something once or twice, and heaven forbid anyone in the internet marketing field should ever try to recommend a product! (sarcasm here of course)

They just wanted to leave that as their reason for unsubscribing from his list, and I guess it kind of got to Dr. Mani, since he really doesn’t promote anything that he feels is substandard. Dr. Mani can correct me if I am wrong on any of this of course, but that’s how I understood it.

I also think that the fact that it kind of bothered him shows that he isn’t the typical product pusher and that it does matter to him how he treats the people on his lists as well as others.

It’s the internet marketers that don’t feel anything that are the ones that worry me, and as far as defending himself on his blog, well, what did you really expect?

If you jump on an animal for no good reason, they will defend themselves also. Duh! (oh, and not comparing you to an animal Dr. Mani. Just trying to give an example ;D)

Misato

Misato Katsuragi
March 17th, 2008 @5:15 am  

About Dr. Mani defending himself on his blog, I should have said what I am about to say now in my previous reply, because it makes the point so much more clearly.

Of course Dr. Mani is going to defend himself on his board. He was compared to someone who engaged in deception to launch and sell his product, and on top of that, his reputation was called into question for no good reason.

Mr. Blake’s excuse for posting what he did was that he wasn’t for sure that Dr. Mani is even a doctor. Having doubts isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but when you are just assuming something and don’t know anything for a fact, then what you are suppose to do is say nothing.

I don’t know that Mr. Blake is who he says he is either, so does that mean I get to intentionally try and make him look like a liar, and especially in public?

I noticed that Mr. Blake also defended himself on his blog. So if defending himself on his own blog makes Dr. Mani less of a person in some way, then Mr. Blake is also less of a person for the exact same reason.

I am not saying that Tony actually is less of a person, but you can’t have it both ways. If you are goind to throw stones at someone for whatever reason, then you had better throw stones at everyone who is guilty of the same crime, so to speak.

If there is anything worse than unfounded accusations, it’s hypocracy.

Misato

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